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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and i'm joined

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with me for a special show by dan dan

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rounding off the gear or starting the

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for several reasons of which we'll get

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new year yet if you've got it in the

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january or onwards i hope it's been a

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good one for you as well

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joining us on the podcast today very

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excited to finally speak to someone i've

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scottish explorer filmmaker television

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presenter and author ashley kerry ash

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welcome to the podcast thanks for having

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i was on mute i'll give you that one

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that's my first video

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he's done it already already

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dan is on this one but as much as he

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listeners too that we'll get into listen

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ash like i say been talking to you for a

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while you have not done too many of

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these interviews yet either i think this

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last week indeed veneer was my first one

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and you represent my last one as far as

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i'm concerned so i should say um

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most of the people that you interview

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are what you would call thorough

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well this is all quite new to me however

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i should be honest with you i i was on

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ancient aliens four years ago in a sort

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i am familiar with the whole thing

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up talking more about why dan might be

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interested in speaking to me but what

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i'm not doing is selling a book i'm not

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doing this i'm selling a new ufo havana

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theory i'm here to answer some questions

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absolutely and you're very uniquely

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positioned to do that because as much as

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keep mine in check for this episode um

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you're based out in colombia in south

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trauma it is a completely different

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world not just the language not the

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phenomenon ancient aliens appeared i was

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ancient aliens i'll never work in a

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history show again and that's the truth

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do you know when i do a contract to

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present a history series

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appeared in a paranormal or a ufo based

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show because it's a danger sign for lots

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of networks so but listen to this

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42 years old and i got you know when you

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ancient aliens he calls my agent and

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an exploration looking for what's known

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lost disk of gold that was lost in the

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mountains of peru so they associated me

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offer what we want to do flying tele

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film for three days we'll put him up

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the week and they offered me a fee

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says ash that's the day rate and you're

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and they did i had the best experience

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of my life often went to lake knocked

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this big old house that was all rigged

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the guys in that production team

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at no one moment in that day six hours

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of down the barrel interviewing never

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was i made to say anything

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never was i asked about an

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anything ridiculous they really did say

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archaeology so of course i go and do

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mannerly team super wonderful

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environment to work in hearing all these

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guys who filmed with so many people in

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and i got delivered back to the airport

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i came home and we had a great christmas

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and done that then let them do it i'll

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be fine and i had a great time and i'm

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on season 13 i think called alien discs

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quite some time but in what a 45-minute

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l.a yourself you're right you've got

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your hotel room they need you to be

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relaxed from tv so they pay you a day

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early you get there you go and do your

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thing you go to bed and the car picks

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filming i filmed for six hours three

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hours in the morning three hours after

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lens talking about

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desk i was in you know something they

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could have made an entire archaeology

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show from the interview but what they

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did of course to tell their story was

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with me maybe saying something that was

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generic that could but you know what was

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really good was and this was in my

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contract i don't know i'm allowed to say

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this don't care is this

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my agent carrie ruddle shout outs to

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they weren't allowed to ask me anything

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about aliens i wasn't to be asked about

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aliens because the danger is this not

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that they did it they wouldn't do it but

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this is what you can do

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so if i was interviewing myself no let

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me interview andy so i'm interviewing

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andy and i go so

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and your answer is yes okay five minutes

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later ask you the question

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do you believe in pleiadian cultures

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visiting planet earth maybe crashed to

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roswell and you're going to go

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absolutely not crazy

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you franken bite in the yes from the

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start before you know it you're speaking

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and answering to things they didn't do

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it not a piece nothing

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you know what they did do which is a bit

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of a letdown as this was out of the six

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hours i made what is arguably maybe a

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mistake i said something

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that if i had if i got a chance to say

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that the tossers who are out there

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reviewing you pick up on right

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so listen that's pretty good here and

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it's good to know that it's a

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professional organization the way it's

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going to be in it which is nice to hear

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a fresh voice and a fresh face and

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amongst a lot of what tends to be the

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same people peddling the same books for

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for many years like you mentioned before

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with uh selling books and things like

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sorry please anyone no no go on please

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go on

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now you just make me think there i can't

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so here's the thing when we talked

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before the show about sustainability

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right and podcasting

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but

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in the world of tv especially in america

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to have i've had three one episode first

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seasons right

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to get a second season

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or a third season is

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unheard of

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to be up at 13 and season 14

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it's you know here's the thing that you

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don't get when you're getting reviews in

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ancient aliens is

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there's probably a team of 40 to 60

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people who have now

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had a life

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a career

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savings for the future

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family networks they've done their only

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businesses they're bridgette and it's

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all come out of that guy kevin burns

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concept which was

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it doesn't matter what you think of it

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is tv

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if you're wanting hardcore physics and

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science go listen to degrasse tyson or

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read a book don't watch ancient aliens

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and complain

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and i just think that them

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for it to survive 13 seasons and now

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moving into whatever it is it's really

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really something and what it does is it

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just shows that there is an

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enormous thirst for this subject beyond

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what we think that's a really

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good sort of piece of proof for it it's

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unheard of unheard of a credit to

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giorgio as well i don't know if you saw

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resident alien last year um that was an

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excellent show and they folded in the

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the uh tic tac footage um as the first

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sighting of the ufo the crashes and then

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the show is just about an alien trying

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to live as a human and kind of hide um

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and giorgio

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informed a lot of the research for that

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show and he kind of had a little fun

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with it and made a bit of a parody of

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himself and you know good sport i i saw

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that and just thought yeah genuine guy

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fair enough yeah it's funny it's not

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like georgie to make a parody of himself

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is it

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do you know what

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i think what you've talked about there

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though with ancient aliens being on one

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end of the spectrum and on the other

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your your neil degrasse tysons brian

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cox's and you're very hardcore

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scientists what we're kind of looking

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for to come out of where we're at now is

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maybe a documentary that sits slap bang

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in the middle of that um that could go

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to the mainstream and be big and not be

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something people watch for about a fun

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or tongue-in-cheek but they really watch

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to to catch themselves up on an

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incredible subject off the back of that

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the wash i want to know we started

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talking on instagram under your uap

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columbia username and there's an aspect

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of anonymity there now given you've said

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what four years ago now you were on

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ancient aliens you have not chosen to

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capitalize on that in any way and not

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necessarily to make money but just have

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a platform and have your name you chose

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to do that and then stay online with an

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interest in the subject but without your

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real name is that because of the still

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attached stigma that you talked about

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and being attached to the ufo subject

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i'm going to give you an answer here

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without blinking so you know it's the

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truth

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and the reason i did nothing after

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ancient aliens and

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only started doing stuff in the last six

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weeks is this

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on the year before coronavirus so

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bleeding into the middle of 219

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i got diagnosed with a really bizarre

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facial condition all right

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my only tool is my mouth

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and then on the month that coronavirus

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happened when all the hospitals got

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closed down i got told this two years

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ago you need an operation now

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but there's no hospitals open so

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through coronavirus this condition i had

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spread

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and

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it's weird as bizarre as this sounds to

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go off the subject i got an operation 16

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months ago and i couldn't physically

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speak for nine months and two weeks

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couldn't talk

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i had to relearn how to talk after the

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operation

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and six weeks ago after two and a half

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years

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i phoned vinnie and said we're good to

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go my boy

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that's why i did nothing i had a

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complete upside down diabetic

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complication that took three years away

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from my life

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and i didn't want to see anybody i

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didn't want to put myself in front of a

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camera i didn't want to be filmed i

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didn't want to be the center of any form

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of attention when i was unable to speak

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now here's the trouble with something

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like this

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everybody goes through medical things

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from time to time in their life

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but i had only just started to learn

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spanish so i'm in a country where i was

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struggling to communicate anyway and

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then someone goes

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now this is getting taken with me so

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that is time for me to shut up that's

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the truth

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my life went on hold it's not that i

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didn't want to capitalize on ancient

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aliens i wouldn't have capitalized on an

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alien platform anyway because i'm so

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ingrained in archaeology and adventure

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and all these things but that's the

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truth andy hi there complete um flip

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upside down and i'm only six weeks

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you'll even hear now

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i still have a kindness

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it's like i've had four or five still as

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you know

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well congratulations yeah thank you and

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uh i'll make sure you get to do plenty

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of talking on this anyways this is

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usually my style but i think you've got

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that time to catch up on

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you've got a it's one of those really

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unfortunate things that you've had

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something that's taken away from from

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what you do as a career as well and have

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prohibited that

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and stopped it for a while and obviously

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that's kicking back off

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what initially drew you to a career as a

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documentary filmmaker and tv presenter

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this i was from wick in the northeast

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coast to scotland right so i'm

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we were 120 miles from the closest

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cinema been brought up so you have two

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up there you have three options you've

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got

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so i did all three and i came out the

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other side and come out this side is a

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fisherman right so i spent a lot of my

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twenties in the hills in caitanya

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surrounded by castles brocks cairns

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burial chambers

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and we were always exploring around

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these things but um i went off to

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glasgow and studied filmmaking and

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photography in my sort of mid-twenties

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and i

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back north traveled all around scotland

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doing various kind of jobs to survive

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but in my mid thirties all kind of

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landed i started them

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i started appearing as a resident

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historian i'd spent 10 15 years

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researching history finding things

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working with universities

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field walking in caithness and getting

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some real hands-on experience with the

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way scottish history worked and lo and

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behold i became the resident historian

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with you know michelle mcmanus

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michelle mcmanus used to host the hour

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show on stv so i was the resident of the

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story in there

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i met her in the i met her in them this

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is how i got that job

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i'd for 10 years been trying to get

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myself into tv with no way of breaking

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the door through i mean really difficult

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and i was in carter's a pub in shawlands

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in glasgow one night in my thirties and

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met michelle mcmanus and we got trash

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together and i was on tv the next monday

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and of course

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and now i'll be straight up she's got a

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shout out to michelle i just did her

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podcast there a couple of years ago and

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we we so anyway here we are and i'm on

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live tv and i did it for 10 weeks in a

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row present in the history of festivals

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and

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the sort of rituals associated with

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holidays

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and then from there it just seemed to go

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slow i i then from there went on to the

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show about rosalind chapel i wrote a

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book about rosalind chapel and ended up

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doing a pbs documentary right this is

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terrible

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and i got paid

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275 quid for that interview and it was

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the 16th most downloaded documentary in

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amazon on 216

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200 quid after tax that is worthy of

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being on a plaque i think yeah i know

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totally but i'll tell you the great

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thing is i'm now after this is really

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funny

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now after

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9 12 years i'm making a film with that

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same guy who gave me 200 quid how good

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is that we've come right back around

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full circle nice so look so i started

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getting into filming then and then i

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started to do my own facebook and

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youtube things and all these things but

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i was in glasgow miserable doing a job i

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hated in a relationship that made me

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just do her

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and i got a phone call from this random

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number in los angeles from this

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really really camp guy

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and he's like hey my name's tony

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shout out to tony miros this agent in

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l.a had been approached by a producer

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saying we're looking for an

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archaeologist come symbologist it was

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just after the da vinci code wave

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so i got the call and said we're looking

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they're looking for an archaeologist

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symbologist and i'm like that's really

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funny that's what i'm an archaeologist

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archaeologist symbolic is funnily enough

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and i was working at this job in our

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growth based in glasgow working in our

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growth and they said so we need you to

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come out and cast for this show and this

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is the most bizarre thing this is the

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full-on la guy looking to talking about

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all the show stuff no longer was it

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television or the tele it was shows

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so often so he goes right the thing is

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this we need to film you in costa rica

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and do a taster reel to show the network

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we've got six other people that they're

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thinking about now this is fine

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send me some dates and he went right

548
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this is on the wednesday night he said

549
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,440
we need you in costa rica friday

550
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,360
and i was thinking to myself look this

551
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,360
is like oh my goodness so anyway i told

552
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,440
the boss in our roof

553
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,679
i was ill and i got a plane in glasgow

554
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,600
and i was in costa rica on the sunday

555
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:17,360
morning and a film for the whole day

556
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:18,480
sunday

557
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,919
for this show called legend quest

558
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,679
and everybody flew out on the monday and

559
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:25,360
i was to be back at work that next

560
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,559
wednesday and

561
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:28,159
we were digging about in this cave for

562
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,200
this shoot

563
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,760
and i had almost had a ragnay

564
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:33,840
and that night i came down was set to

565
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,080
see me a blood poisoning in this hotel

566
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,480
in a jungle in costa rica and i was

567
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,400
thinking i'm gonna i did i'm meant to be

568
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:42,159
at home and i'm meant to be ill in a

569
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,200
flat in glasgow just now and

570
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,120
so anyway here i was in costa rica and i

571
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,799
flew back home i got home the next week

572
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,679
with this i'd lost about four stone i

573
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,000
was in just in this terrible way

574
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,480
and i got a call two weeks later

575
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,320
bluffton at work from the producer and

576
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,039
went nah this other guy has got it this

577
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,679
ex stand up comedian guy i was

578
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,440
absolutely

579
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,640
heartbroken

580
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,480
and it was gone it was going to make me

581
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:10,159
wretch it was going to make me famous

582
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,360
all the things that are important in

583
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:13,760
your early 30s right

584
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,720
and then 10 days passed we got a call

585
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:18,320
the guy got married his wife wouldn't

586
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:25,029
and um off i went i went right you know

587
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:28,880
six weeks later from working in glasgow

588
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:31,520
i went to 24 countries

589
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,559
over

590
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,280
four months and filmed in

591
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,880
over 80

592
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,039
sacred sites archaeological sites all

593
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,720
the famous places around the world

594
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,200
search of ranger artifacts following

595
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,360
legends looking for everything from the

596
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,120
holy grail to the ark of the covenant

597
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,120
which makes me draw breath now it was

598
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,960
actually i was actually safer in ancient

599
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:52,960
aliens than i was looking back thinking

600
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,760
i was looking for the holy grail right

601
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,840
but i think so i got into it there with

602
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,679
legend quest but here we go i remember

603
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,600
kanga phillips my co-host sitting to me

604
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,919
and it haunts me to the day she goes ash

605
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,080
there's nowhere to go i mean what do you

606
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,679
mean she goes people work in this

607
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:10,240
industry their whole career to get their

608
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,200
show

609
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,280
and here i was at 32 just having had a

610
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,200
major one in sci-fi and then around the

611
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:16,960
world on universal

612
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,080
networks it went to 140 countries it was

613
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,840
in different languages this crazy show

614
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,280
legend quest

615
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,440
and from there i just started doing lots

616
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,280
and lots different films and making my

617
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,919
own films and selling them and doing

618
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,679
independent films and

619
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,360
literally in the last

620
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,440
four years josh gates from expedition

621
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,640
unknown

622
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,480
has kind of had me do a few episodes a

623
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,159
couple of episodes with him you know we

624
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,840
were treasure hunting in scotland four

625
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,280
years ago and that was one of the best

626
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:45,520
rated shows he had and there lo and

627
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,559
behold

628
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,640
three weeks ago we just aired season

629
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,960
nine of expedition unknown and discovery

630
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,039
i had josh and his team in elder

631
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,720
colombia

632
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,240
so in the summer they come down here

633
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,240
looking for the mythical city of gold el

634
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,039
dorado josh and a crew of forty

635
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,679
and i was fortunate enough to have some

636
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,000
as part of the narrative that story and

637
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,679
what i was able to do was get josh to

638
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,280
come along and meet my friends in this

639
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,120
indigenous community

640
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:13,760
in cesky lay who are the guardians of

641
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,480
guatevita the keepers of the secrets of

642
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,760
el dorado and rather than having josh

643
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,080
myself hiking near the machetes and all

644
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,799
the dramatic stuff looking for gold

645
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:27,600
it was explained to him the eldorado was

646
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,559
the ombre el dorado the golden man and

647
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:33,200
it related to coronation ceremony

648
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,720
and it was just kind of a game of

649
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,960
telephone to the telephone game where

650
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,880
what started as the golden man who was a

651
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,679
king with gold dust who jumped into

652
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,000
lagoon and expanded them to

653
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,039
you know a city a lost city of gold so

654
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,679
that was great we were able to get right

655
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,679
to the core of the elder adult myth with

656
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,279
josh in that episode that were now in

657
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,919
mainstream discovery so

658
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,240
it paid a wage it paid the bill for a

659
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,880
few months and it had

660
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,039
a kind of whole different perspective on

661
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,360
this idea that there's gold lost in the

662
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,440
forest here well there is el dorado

663
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,440
something completely different so there

664
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,080
you go that's a kind of overview

665
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,120
of documentaries and stuff yeah

666
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,440
i'm gonna say that i would put money on

667
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,919
dan being extremely jealous right now of

668
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,440
of some of those expeditions you've

669
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,600
managed to be on it sounds like the life

670
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,440
of uh indiana jones in the modern day

671
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,880
you know

672
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,240
i'm going to tell you something to put a

673
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,240
wee blood i'm going to blunt the the

674
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,400
diamond here i just said it to someone

675
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,480
last week i got a shadow recently and

676
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,080
it's because this

677
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,000
you if like where were we let me give

678
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,600
you an example

679
00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:42,080
we're in shark cathedral in france

680
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,159
one of the most

681
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,440
incredible i know i could name somewhere

682
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,919
more tropical but just here we go i

683
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,520
meant this most

684
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,640
blindingly awesome awesome cathedral

685
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,799
right so where i walk into the cathedral

686
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,480
it's the arrival shot

687
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,080
go remember this is sci-fi this is a

688
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,559
holy american crew so this is what

689
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,240
happened i went around the world all

690
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,320
these amazing places but i walked into

691
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,640
chardonnay remember seeing

692
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,799
this building's 800 years old of

693
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,200
heritage and history must look beyond

694
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,960
the myths and beyond the religion that

695
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,200
overwhelms it today we must look for the

696
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:17,360
fingerprints of the masons who carved

697
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,760
this most exemplary structure of masonry

698
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,360
cut

699
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,600
back to one gonna walk in and just go

700
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,600
kanga this is awesome

701
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,679
[Laughter]

702
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,919
that happened a lot

703
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,320
nice and i realized that i did this

704
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,640
cultural tour of some of the most

705
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,279
awesome sites in the world but hey they

706
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,880
were behind me and i was looking down a

707
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:43,520
camera and then out next

708
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:44,559
and b

709
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,320
i had to present an exceptionally

710
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,480
look what we call it

711
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,200
an exceptionally dramatic interpretation

712
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,960
of places that

713
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,640
needed something different so i was

714
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,720
quite a conflicts with that show so but

715
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,039
guess what then you'd rather have done

716
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,600
it than not as a fact yeah absolutely

717
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,080
you know someone's gonna do it and

718
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,679
you know you can influence it yourself

719
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,200
and make it better than it would have

720
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,960
been you know so i'll tell you where

721
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,960
these things help where traveling helps

722
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,799
is this and it's amazing is the corona

723
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,600
thing

724
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,919
it's been said if you've been to over 10

725
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,880
12 international airports in your life

726
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,799
your immune system has been exposed to

727
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,320
pretty much everything that's going to

728
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,039
get you and i'll tell you now um my

729
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,880
partner had corona

730
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,120
my parents-in-law had corona

731
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,039
i've not had as much as a sniffly nose

732
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,039
of one i've been and i've been exposed

733
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,559
to so i do believe there's something to

734
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,840
be said from being in different

735
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,840
countries and i think that sees a lot

736
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:41,600
for how dangerous a lockdown is where

737
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,990
fair enough and listen um i'm going to

738
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,159
give you the option here ash we have two

739
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,600
ways to go now and we're going to cover

740
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,960
both anyway

741
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,360
would you as a guest like to cover the

742
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,400
historical cases first in colombia or do

743
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,600
you want to discuss phenomenology

744
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,600
as a star i would like to i think

745
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,080
because it's it's like i'm already

746
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:07,840
really conscious i hate this is that

747
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:10,960
it's a that ufo podcast and all we've

748
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,840
heard is me drone on about me there's

749
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,520
seven and a half billion other people

750
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:17,760
like me so i would far rather get a

751
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,039
break from me talk about classic ufo

752
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,880
cases you know there's things i think

753
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,279
because the last line on your intro

754
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,520
there before you start speaking is

755
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:30,000
this isn't an american phenomenon it's

756
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:31,279
worldwide

757
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,480
i think it's a great chance for me to

758
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,960
share maybe two or three really famous

759
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,720
cases in colombia in south america that

760
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:38,159
no one's gonna have heard before that

761
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,520
have

762
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,760
tie-ins and correlations with famous

763
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,919
people names and things in north america

764
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,159
that's gonna maybe juice up some of your

765
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,840
your listeners to go and research some

766
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:49,120
new stories

767
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:50,559
it's that's fine it's something i've

768
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,679
been guilty of is focusing on a lot of

769
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,279
the hearing knows i mean that's a big

770
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,120
part of the podcast but i've really

771
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,159
meant to and in 2022 we will be going

772
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,760
back and looking at other cases

773
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,360
especially from other parts of the world

774
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,399
as well now south america itself as a

775
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,120
continent is a hotbed for ufo activity

776
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,279
and there's a lot of lore over the years

777
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,080
we spoke to undead gaucho on his channel

778
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:16,240
from his channel last year over about

779
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,000
sightings in argentina um ufos or ovni

780
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,480
is a pronunciation and in south america

781
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,399
and the languages is that right

782
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,520
it's objecto volodor no identificado

783
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,919
which is just object flying not

784
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,240
identified ovany see

785
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,720
awesome i like that um

786
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:36,320
why do you think

787
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,520
of me ufos seem to be more culturally

788
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,640
accepted in south america than they are

789
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,799
in north america or other parts of the

790
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,120
world

791
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,360
okay

792
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,720
there was a paper written by two

793
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,200
two colombian

794
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:58,080
scientists based in bristol university

795
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,679
we can maybe google this and get link

796
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,120
for the show notes

797
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,200
recently published called

798
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,799
the chilean

799
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:07,279
ufo

800
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,480
machine

801
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,320
i believe is the title i'll send it to

802
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,679
you

803
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,679
these two girls looked or the two

804
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,279
scientists looked at

805
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,120
what just this why is there a

806
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,000
susceptibility in chile more so than

807
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,000
even in south america

808
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,799
and one of the the

809
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,200
interesting observations that rose from

810
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,600
their paper was that

811
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,240
you have a nation that's over 90 percent

812
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,000
catholic

813
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:36,960
so 90 of the people here

814
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,640
believe in spiritual entities

815
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,919
gods

816
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,399
greater beings than themselves there's a

817
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:46,399
predisposition to

818
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,310
there's a huge jam and a mashup between

819
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,399
ufology and religion

820
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:00,480
in colombia just now we have religious

821
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,870
not only

822
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,039
are people liable to believe in ufos but

823
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,799
they're liable to believe in other

824
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,240
people that believe in ufos 1982 100

825
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,000
people went vanished

826
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,559
up in our sierra nevada following a ufo

827
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,080
cult leader who told them the mother

828
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,159
ship was coming back for them

829
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,480
you can google this this is famous so

830
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,159
these hundred people vanished in the

831
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,080
mountains perished

832
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,240
and it turns out that the ufo the

833
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,799
ufologist the cult leader had taken all

834
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:33,120
of their homes their

835
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:34,840
savings their

836
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,240
insurance portfolio is the law

837
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,039
so there's a real susceptibility to for

838
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,279
people to believe in

839
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,159
this supernatural here and i think it is

840
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,640
because of that religious doctrination

841
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,440
that

842
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,360
anything is possible you know to believe

843
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,039
in that god or to believe in anything

844
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,640
else there's no

845
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,880
sort of empiric empirical evidence for

846
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,480
you've got to be open for a leap of

847
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,880
faith and i think it's that people here

848
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,120
have got this absolute

849
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,279
willingness to take that leap of faith

850
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,760
where people from our culture are much

851
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:10,799
more terrified to do to do that

852
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,760
and does that translate to the the media

853
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,840
as well in south america and colombia

854
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,320
yeah there's a real interesting thing

855
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,840
here where

856
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,000
at the moment i you know one of our

857
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,360
platinum platform is uap colombia nobody

858
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,679
has a clue what this uep is there isn't

859
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,919
a uep here it's still the ovni and only

860
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,640
the offnay they have lost phenomenas

861
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,760
which are

862
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,519
the phenomenon so

863
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,679
everything that's unexplainable they put

864
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:40,159
into the phenomenon bracket but

865
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,200
it's

866
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,559
either ufo or not ufo there is and they

867
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,640
are always alien it's never

868
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:49,840
it's always and here you go el tiempo lp

869
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:52,480
price all of the headlines

870
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,000
it's all of me and it's it's never

871
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,039
do they exist as this evidence is this

872
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,880
proof it's always

873
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,600
more evidence another layer

874
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,679
here's another thing

875
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,760
with the countries in

876
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,840
real need of a solid what you call a

877
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,159
public facing skeptic i think because

878
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:13,519
there's this

879
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,480
wholesome belief in ufos being from

880
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,399
other planets and i

881
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,240
personally think that maybe

882
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:22,799
to be so conclusive is keep closing

883
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,840
doors and other possibilities

884
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,640
and

885
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,279
do the people are they happy with where

886
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,960
they're at with their understanding of

887
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,440
the phenomenon and that they think it's

888
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:36,080
always more evidence or is there a push

889
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:36,960
for

890
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,840
believe

891
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,240
yeah there's this drive just now here

892
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,919
like there is all over the world for

893
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,279
governments to start releasing

894
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,279
documentation to start releasing

895
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,960
findings but you know we can cover a

896
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,559
couple of cases here but what's really

897
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,480
interesting in colombia is

898
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:54,559
colombia represents north america's

899
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,080
strongest military ally in south america

900
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:00,320
so the american navy and the colombian

901
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:03,519
navy do joint exercises along there in

902
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,919
the caribbean and the pacific coasts now

903
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,440
i'm going to show you some examples of

904
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,799
this but

905
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,159
advanced

906
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,159
drone technology

907
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,399
from north american navy has been tested

908
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,559
here for at least 20 years

909
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:20,799
in it's called plan columbia back in

910
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,000
2000 president bill clinton signed off

911
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,840
plan colombia and this was an effort to

912
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:28,240
fund colombia to train the military and

913
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,519
the paramilitaries to try and cease

914
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,600
cocaine growth not so much production

915
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:35,360
would just actually stop the plant

916
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,240
growth

917
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,600
so at that time northrop grumman all the

918
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,320
big u.s military producers were flying

919
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,880
through some seriously advanced drones

920
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,200
across colombian airspace because

921
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,880
it's easier to fly a drone across a

922
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:50,480
jungle in colombia than it is to fly

923
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,760
over a block of houses or indeed of an

924
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,080
army training ground of california they

925
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,399
get spotted too often

926
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,360
however colombia is ingrained with this

927
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,080
whole sort of drive for

928
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,480
you know disclosure they call it so here

929
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,280
last week a famous actor um no two weeks

930
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:11,440
ago it was his name was

931
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,800
escolar his surname leaves me

932
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,639
he's like um

933
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,440
a bernie winters of colombian comedy

934
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,679
here right this sort of class guy so i

935
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,359
don't know if you saw it on the internet

936
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,240
it went viral on ufo twitter he posted a

937
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,280
picture of a ufo at bogota airport

938
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,919
so i sent that to mick weston he had had

939
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,520
it from about 100 different people

940
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,440
before i sent it to him

941
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,679
and within hours he had a video there

942
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,839
explaining showing that eight frames in

943
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,919
this was quite clearly

944
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,480
called moscow here a fly and you know it

945
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,480
didn't take a rocket scientist to work

946
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,919
out that it was a flag in this case

947
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,839
so i sent this to the actor in colombia

948
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,359
he wasn't too impressed with this all

949
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,079
right through uap colombia and

950
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:58,000
then a week later just there a few days

951
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,880
ago

952
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,280
he goes and publishes the same video

953
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,480
again

954
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,960
mr west you missed something lo and

955
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,720
behold there's another

956
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:08,880
flying object at the top of that very

957
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,160
film which is quite clearly another fly

958
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,160
but to him it's like you know the

959
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,160
skeptics missed this they're so stupid

960
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,839
they couldn't even see this damn two

961
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,160
ufos everyone here is on the streets

962
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,079
with flags because it's

963
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,200
more ufos they don't see flies here

964
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,359
i'm going to tell you i keep i just get

965
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,760
shocked like uap colombia

966
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,440
seven thousand followers i think on the

967
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:32,960
instagram channel

968
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,359
if i post a picture for if somebody said

969
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,359
we get lots and lots of sighting centers

970
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,200
so do a quick video analysis you do a

971
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,480
breakdown

972
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,560
and post what it is

973
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:45,520
if i frame the suggestion the video the

974
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,839
film that responds to this video as

975
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,400
what do you think this is i'm gonna get

976
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,320
a ton of people delighted all

977
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,640
interacting telling me this is the nazi

978
00:36:04,150 --> 00:35:59,440
bell quite clearly interdimensional

979
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,160
ladies right yeah if i say

980
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,240
this is quite clearly a large marketing

981
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,839
balloon that got released for medicine

982
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,480
football stadium i lose 75 followers

983
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,640
that day

984
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,560
so it's really it's a real juxtaposition

985
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,720
it's like what you're trying to do with

986
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,079
uap

987
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,000
is what you said there is this middle

988
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,920
place now is where

989
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,520
there's two factions right this is

990
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,680
almost like american politics where

991
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,280
you've got your believers and your

992
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,599
non-believers and arguably just now the

993
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,280
non-believers and the skeptics are

994
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,000
angrier and more vicious than any of the

995
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,599
believers in the ufo community if you

996
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,880
notice that

997
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,480
but there's also something hilarious

998
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,079
that's going on that maybe you haven't

999
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,680
seen this from the inside but it's clear

1000
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,720
to me

1001
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:45,839
what's developed in the online ufo

1002
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,200
community is that you are you represent

1003
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,680
the hardest core group of ufo skeptics

1004
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,960
on the planet

1005
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,760
there's no bigger a skeptic nowadays in

1006
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,240
the ufo phenomenon all you got to do is

1007
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,560
put a photograph or a video of what you

1008
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,880
say as a ufo and ufo twitter you're

1009
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,720
going to get yourself toward a new

1010
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,040
backside tomorrow right no one's having

1011
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,680
it yeah no one's having a tic tac so

1012
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,839
it's it's there's this really really

1013
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:13,599
interesting group of folk

1014
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:16,720
that are all demanding more than even

1015
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,839
ufos from within ufology

1016
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,400
the assumption is that there aren't ufos

1017
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,160
anymore there's almost a call out for

1018
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,160
something much much greater than that as

1019
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:27,200
in

1020
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,320
world first then

1021
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,359
you know joe biden signed off this new

1022
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,599
this new sort of historical document

1023
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,839
that

1024
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,000
you're just out on an island if you dare

1025
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,720
say that there's that nothing exists if

1026
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,520
you dare say this is all

1027
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,680
bags balloons

1028
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,079
glare

1029
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,640
phosphine clouds inside your brain from

1030
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:00,079
light that didn't actually come through

1031
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,040
your eye

1032
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,800
these are all really problematic now

1033
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,079
because you've got the biggest most

1034
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:06,720
powerful people in the world all seen

1035
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,000
there is a thing there's a thing

1036
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,680
because it's

1037
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,839
they think it's a thing right

1038
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,119
it's things that people are talking

1039
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,720
about and that's what people see here is

1040
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:18,720
things they don't see just lights here

1041
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,839
they see desks and they describe

1042
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:24,079
all sorts of things so colombia is going

1043
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,440
through this sort of

1044
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,839
incredible place just now where it's

1045
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,440
getting nothing from the government

1046
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,440
because it's all american

1047
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:32,960
secrets you know doesn't the government

1048
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:35,680
here don't even have a system for pilots

1049
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,960
reporting

1050
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,119
ufo phenomenon that's actually would be

1051
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:40,720
an amazing place for me to tell you the

1052
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,240
first story about the last piles

1053
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,839
let me tell you i'm gonna back i was

1054
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:48,160
gonna go back to the 60s to begin this

1055
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,280
and

1056
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:51,200
so you know

1057
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,640
what you're not going to see in any of

1058
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,119
these stories you can ask me anytime you

1059
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:57,359
want my own personal opinion

1060
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,640
that's not going to come into i'm going

1061
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,240
to give you the facts what happened

1062
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,760
what's been reported and where you can

1063
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:02,640
go

1064
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,950
in

1065
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,960
february 2020

1066
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,720
okay so we're only talking less than two

1067
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:12,000
years ago

1068
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:15,440
maria alvarez is a 64 year old retired

1069
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,079
captain from the colombian air force

1070
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,079
she picks up the phone

1071
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,400
after serving 30 years an extended

1072
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,040
service in audiophonics in the in the

1073
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,839
air force she phones ltempo's newspaper

1074
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,880
and said

1075
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,960
i need to report something bizarre that

1076
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:35,119
happened to me last night

1077
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,480
uh columbian filmmaker roberto gavin

1078
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,359
drove to her house in ten ho which is

1079
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,000
five miles that way down we'll go back

1080
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,520
to that five miles from where i'm

1081
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,320
sitting just now this occurred

1082
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,160
the filmmaker turned up for the tv

1083
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,480
channel switched his

1084
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,560
recorder on and she was standing in her

1085
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,960
field outside her farmhouse just down

1086
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:58,160
the valley

1087
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:04,950
she said i was sleeping last night i go

1088
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,760
to i put my pajamas on at 9 30 i go to

1089
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,720
bed at 10 i was sleeping my door got

1090
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:13,280
knocked at 10 45

1091
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,720
my f chief farmer said senora senora

1092
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,880
there's a light in the garden

1093
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,280
and she said she put on her night robe

1094
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,520
ran out into the garden it's just

1095
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,440
recently

1096
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,960
she said she looked up and saw nothing

1097
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,520
but by that time 13

1098
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,200
of the farmers and their family had

1099
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,800
gathered in her garden and they were

1100
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,359
pointing at this mountain la pena de

1101
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:39,839
weica behind me

1102
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:42,319
and she said on camera

1103
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,760
i watched a tic tac oval shaped ufo

1104
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,160
circling la pena de weica

1105
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:50,480
for 21

1106
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,680
minutes

1107
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,440
with 13 people

1108
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,200
they were all interviewed

1109
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,640
they all told

1110
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:59,680
of the tic tac shaped ufo circling la

1111
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,119
pena de waca for 21

1112
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,839
minutes

1113
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,000
then she said they were lying down

1114
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,240
watch because when it passed overhead

1115
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:12,160
she said it gave off an effervescent

1116
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,280
light

1117
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,119
not like as if it was emitted from a

1118
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,760
street light but rather as if it was

1119
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,440
trying to come out and going back in she

1120
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:22,240
said it was a light within itself didn't

1121
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,200
throw

1122
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,560
and

1123
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,760
she said

1124
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,079
that they all lay down and when they

1125
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,640
went to stand up it stopped about a

1126
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,040
hundred meters above their house

1127
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,640
it dulled

1128
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:36,160
and they said it

1129
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,160
vanished into the air straight vertical

1130
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,440
13 people plus her was the last time a

1131
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,400
colombian air force captain came forward

1132
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,040
and did something like this but this is

1133
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:51,680
a remarkable it's not a

1134
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,880
five-second flash in the dark

1135
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,520
she only did the one interview

1136
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,440
she won't even reply to me when i asked

1137
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,680
her for an interview for uap columbia

1138
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,960
she did it

1139
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,480
got it out of the way

1140
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,640
and that's it but it's isn't that just

1141
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,440
quite something that we would have this

1142
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,359
same visual

1143
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:12,480
report

1144
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,839
from a pilot of a this

1145
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,040
tic-tac-oval-shaped ufo that seems to be

1146
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,720
so now here you go

1147
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,880
i'm a filmmaker photographer and i'm

1148
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,319
gonna i know a lot of your people are

1149
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,440
gonna pull their hair out when i say

1150
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,720
this and they're not gonna like me and

1151
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,040
they might even switch off

1152
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:29,520
and for fun show people here how to make

1153
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,720
tic tac ufos with camera focus

1154
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,680
a photograph la pena de waca in focus

1155
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,839
when we see a helicopter going over it

1156
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,280
and what i do i'll show nadi this

1157
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,560
morning is focus on la pena de waca

1158
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,560
take the to focus on the helicopter take

1159
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,880
the shot the mountain's out of focus

1160
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,040
focus on the mountain the helicopter

1161
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,040
turns into a tic tac it's incredible

1162
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,720
it's not as good as you do with a plane

1163
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,440
so

1164
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,079
i know how

1165
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:59,119
be

1166
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,040
misinterpreted if the vocal range is

1167
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,640
wrong and whatnot

1168
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,160
but this isn't to do with the camera

1169
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,240
this is they saw something in the sky

1170
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,240
surrounding this mountain that's here

1171
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,280
which isn't unusual it's the center of

1172
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,200
lots and lots of phenomenas we'll come

1173
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,760
back to however that's a really recent

1174
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,400
ufo report from colombia from what you

1175
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,480
would call a i don't know if you know we

1176
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:23,680
should say

1177
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,880
military eyewitnesses are better than

1178
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:28,400
public eyewitnesses and i don't know if

1179
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,599
i go with that because we all have the

1180
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,680
same eyes and you know david fravor has

1181
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,400
never been taught how to identify a ufo

1182
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,520
neither has

1183
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,880
my next door neighbor you know so i

1184
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,240
don't know if they're better but what

1185
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,440
they are is

1186
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,280
they're probably more considered because

1187
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,520
they've spent a career

1188
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,520
where their what they see is quite

1189
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,599
critical to other people's lives you

1190
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:49,839
know did i see that or didn't i

1191
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,440
was that a tanker wasn't a tank it's so

1192
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,760
when i heard her when you see her

1193
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,680
she's great and she just comes across

1194
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,480
this really flirty thing and all of her

1195
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,240
farmers they all tell people around town

1196
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,760
about the light they all call it the

1197
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:05,839
light which she claims it was the solid

1198
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,480
object that was giving off a light so

1199
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:10,400
yeah there you go

1200
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,280
now

1201
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,960
fascinating case and i love i love

1202
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,040
hearing any sort of eyewitness testimony

1203
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:17,200
especially when you have what a total of

1204
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:21,040
14 people 13 plus the captain herself

1205
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:26,079
21 minute long incident in in 2019 2020

1206
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,760
did none of them have a camera phone

1207
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,119
which i know will be the first thing

1208
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,200
people are thinking themselves did no

1209
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,440
one film it or take a picture of the

1210
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,960
incident but is that not something they

1211
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,280
have no

1212
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,800
um so

1213
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,800
my wife thinks that this is reason that

1214
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,400
she's not replied to me because i just

1215
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,920
said i said could you send me some

1216
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,079
footage surely

1217
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,319
one of you had to to get the camera out

1218
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,560
i said i'd love to see it and review it

1219
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,400
and i pushed and basic i said things

1220
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,160
like while it's bound to be dark and

1221
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,599
maybe a bit out of focus we could really

1222
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,160
do wonders with that and she just didn't

1223
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,319
i needed i thought to myself this is the

1224
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,319
one weakness in the whole thing

1225
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,880
however

1226
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,040
here's my suspicions all right not that

1227
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,280
i know but

1228
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,160
we do know that

1229
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,640
three weeks ago the colombian military

1230
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,160
and the american navy that was the

1231
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,480
colombian movie and american navy farc

1232
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,640
they announced this

1233
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,200
really really state-of-the-art drone

1234
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,880
that's been getting tested here for two

1235
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,599
years and it's called art kim badger

1236
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,319
it's a five meter drone

1237
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,240
and the thing has some kind of paint on

1238
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,119
it and some kind of effervescent waves

1239
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,280
so when it's filmed

1240
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,760
it can distort its shape like the blue

1241
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,960
birds

1242
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,560
these um

1243
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,079
stealth bombers

1244
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,400
so i wonder

1245
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:47,520
if

1246
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,319
they saw some kind this drone possibly

1247
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,240
been being tested

1248
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,440
but then

1249
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,720
you know

1250
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:56,400
here's the thing and we're going to

1251
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,520
start talking about the coming

1252
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,520
documentary but gotta note this down

1253
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,119
we'll come back to this is

1254
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,359
the what we need to do with this is

1255
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,440
we know where she said it circled round

1256
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,599
the mountain okay we know exactly where

1257
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,599
she said the extent was actually she

1258
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,599
clean over the top of her house right

1259
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,480
here as it's doing its rotundo

1260
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,800
i reckon if she said they saw it for 21

1261
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,160
minutes and they claimed it passed

1262
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,040
between 16 and 20 times we could do we

1263
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,760
could calculate how fast it was going

1264
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,480
with how many times it was seen on this

1265
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,560
route over 21 minutes

1266
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,640
but we're going to do that together then

1267
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,960
as we'll discuss in a little while

1268
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,240
yeah you're right you could there's

1269
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,240
enough information there that you could

1270
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,640
ease that out of it and then and you

1271
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,560
know at least be able to

1272
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,119
label it as oh this is one of the

1273
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,599
observables or uh on the balance of

1274
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,440
probability this might be a bit prosaic

1275
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,800
you know

1276
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,960
exactly what we know the uf the air

1277
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,640
force announced the arcane badge you can

1278
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,079
go up i think it's 200 kilometers an

1279
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,480
hour 165 is this

1280
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:58,240
whatever cruising altitude but can go to

1281
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,440
200 so

1282
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,520
we would know a bandwidth to compare and

1283
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,160
if that maybe fell in there however what

1284
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,640
you've got to though is

1285
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,400
um

1286
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,760
it's sustained and here's the thing

1287
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,240
this location is three miles from el

1288
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,560
dorado airport

1289
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,760
you know

1290
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,599
so why would you really have military

1291
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,839
drones flying testing

1292
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,359
you know drones being tested of a habit

1293
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:25,040
of falling out of the sky would you

1294
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,400
really be doing all that beside the

1295
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,160
airport that was one of the things that

1296
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,640
they were the guys said was it it was on

1297
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,359
massive jam massage this big mainstream

1298
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,359
network ufo channel out here it's on

1299
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,359
every week you guys have got stupid

1300
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,960
baking and dancing programs we've got

1301
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:41,760
proper hardcore ufo shoes yeah

1302
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,880
so this one massaja um talks about this

1303
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,960
site and they have the farmers and then

1304
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:49,040
they interview them i'm but you know

1305
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,839
what what

1306
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,000
what's really quite crazy events they're

1307
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,079
all really really insistent that it

1308
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,240
stopped above them

1309
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,160
before it vanished you know and i think

1310
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,559
that's quite spooky because

1311
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,920
even if it's let's just say it's a

1312
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,839
military drone they thought that we live

1313
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,440
in a world where there's

1314
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,079
some geek in some tunnel a kilometer per

1315
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,599
gallon ground

1316
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,520
flying something above folk and having a

1317
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,280
look and stopping and going away i think

1318
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,720
i'd rather they were from alphys and

1319
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,400
cheery

1320
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,400
do you know what and we kind of touched

1321
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,480
on it just before ash that

1322
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,960
whether the footage was really dark a

1323
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,119
little pinpoint in the sky in which case

1324
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,520
everyone just dismisses it as you can't

1325
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,760
see anything same i've talked about the

1326
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,000
black triangle i saw back in december

1327
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,640
2019 even if i did take my phone out

1328
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,400
while driving at 70 miles an hour on a

1329
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,720
very narrow road and film it you

1330
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,240
wouldn't have seen what i could see with

1331
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,240
my eyes you would have saw two tiny

1332
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,079
little points of light no triangle and

1333
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,400
just maybe some stars in the background

1334
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,319
maybe through a car windscreen so it

1335
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,480
would have been pointless footage anyway

1336
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,960
but even on the other end of that scale

1337
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:56,160
if it was

1338
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,280
stunning

1339
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,559
4k 8k footage of what looks to be a tic

1340
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,720
tac flying around there people would

1341
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,800
claim it's too good to be true so i

1342
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,319
don't think any

1343
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,640
members of the public sending in ufo

1344
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,280
footage to anywhere would be trapped

1345
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:13,119
with the seriousness it would probably

1346
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,240
deserve

1347
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,760
because you're going to get either side

1348
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,079
of the scale of it's not good enough or

1349
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,240
it's too good so it must have been faked

1350
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,319
so it's almost better to have something

1351
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,720
that leaves you with that that vagueness

1352
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,319
and i think that's probably part of the

1353
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,440
reason those you know videos in 2017

1354
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,760
were selected because they're boring

1355
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,000
enough from a military point of view to

1356
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,440
not break any confident

1357
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,599
confidentialities any ndas or anything

1358
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,200
top secret yeah

1359
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,800
but they leave you with a lot of

1360
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,319
questions and i think that's what a lot

1361
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,559
of people love about this subject and

1362
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,720
yeah it's unfortunately there's no other

1363
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:48,240
evidence but you like to say there's a

1364
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,599
few things you've mentioned there that

1365
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,240
are quite interesting aspects of

1366
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,400
the whole this story is this this is all

1367
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,720
about story i'm a storyteller filmmaker

1368
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,960
author it's story and

1369
00:50:01,430 --> 00:50:00,559
like i'm

1370
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,440
i don't

1371
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,520
sometimes want to see the photos that

1372
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,599
make me then go well no that's obviously

1373
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:08,079
a drone love i'd rather this story with

1374
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,280
mystery here's the thing we were

1375
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,800
scottish

1376
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,839
the day that our scientist proves nasty

1377
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,480
doesn't or hasn't or couldn't exist

1378
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,040
our nation's tourist industry collapses

1379
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:21,680
the next day right yeah the it's the

1380
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,640
mystery that keeps the imagination and

1381
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,079
the traditions and the heritage of

1382
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,559
people and nations alive and it's not

1383
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,160
conclusions i'm looking for in any of

1384
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,040
this i'm sharing some great stories from

1385
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,800
fascinating people too it's not the

1386
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,160
fellow down the boozer these are

1387
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,520
captains

1388
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,520
the world seems to love the captain or

1389
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,240
the uf or the naval ufo report right

1390
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,720
this is when i i wrote an article in uep

1391
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,119
columbia about this and i called it hey

1392
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,319
dice drake here's your colombian sister

1393
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,400
because she's a female from the army who

1394
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:54,000
stepped forward which has with it the

1395
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,040
same

1396
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,200
i'll tell you now not that i know much

1397
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:59,359
about her personally but when when alex

1398
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,559
died right dietrich came out last year

1399
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,040
publicized what a brave brave thing to

1400
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:06,240
do

1401
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,160
in such a sometimes acidic

1402
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,839
sort of environment i thought that was

1403
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,200
really good this is what this lady did

1404
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,119
here too she can put her

1405
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,640
she could put her balls in line didn't

1406
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,000
she

1407
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:20,160
yeah i think alex publicised enough some

1408
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,520
of the

1409
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,599
the abuse or the the annoyance she got

1410
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,920
people getting our phone numbers and

1411
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,359
just what comes along with that and it's

1412
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,280
an incredibly difficult thing to do

1413
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,960
active or you know just leaving the

1414
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,640
military or whatever so it's always

1415
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:35,280
appreciated and especially um and the

1416
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,640
kind of atmospheres that we have now

1417
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,000
online

1418
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,000
i think what's really important

1419
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,000
for everybody to see with the whole alex

1420
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,839
thing is we don't need to be worshipping

1421
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,599
anyone people lots of people have seen

1422
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,440
things but here's the thing

1423
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,880
lots of people like

1424
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,079
um forever commander david fravor has

1425
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,079
now gone public and he's

1426
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:55,760
pretty much said

1427
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:59,680
they tic tacs 2004 incident limits

1428
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,480
are not of this planet he said that

1429
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,119
that's easier to say and to fly your

1430
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:07,520
flag than it is for what alex dietrich

1431
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,720
did to say i don't know what i saw

1432
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,400
there's not a politician in the world is

1433
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,160
brave enough to say i don't know

1434
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,400
everyone's too quick to feel they should

1435
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:18,480
have an answer she's put herself out

1436
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,200
there

1437
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,880
and saying she doesn't know what she saw

1438
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,200
which can leave her open to be branded

1439
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,359
cookie cookie whatever you know i think

1440
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,880
that's the brave with it is she was able

1441
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,280
to say experience something without

1442
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,079
feeling the need to try and label it

1443
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,920
absolutely it's a really good point

1444
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,680
that's that's a current incident that's

1445
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,240
been there from the last couple of years

1446
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,319
let's go back to one of those incidents

1447
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,559
from the 60s um again you're choosing

1448
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,319
what you want to go into

1449
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,680
i've got my notes in front of me here

1450
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:47,200
and the reason i'm gonna and the re i'm

1451
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,640
never gonna i'm gonna tell you stories

1452
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,000
but i think what's important at the

1453
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,559
beginning is that i get the date the

1454
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,400
time and the name of the people write so

1455
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,160
people can play your viewers can go and

1456
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,160
google it then to see because this is an

1457
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,480
hour mainstream thing oh and all of this

1458
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,760
is great because you can google any of

1459
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,440
these names and just tap google

1460
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,440
translate and you have the spanish

1461
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:08,640
reports so what i think i should do is

1462
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,920
i'm going to go back to um

1463
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,000
so this is great this is what i wanted

1464
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:15,839
to talk to you about

1465
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,800
project blue book allen g hynix project

1466
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:21,200
blue book which you're all aware of

1467
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,720
two cases

1468
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,440
in the thousand two hundred so

1469
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,440
1247

1470
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,440
cases two we're in columbia would you

1471
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:30,720
believe it the appearing project blue

1472
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,599
book

1473
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,800
i think i'm going to talk to you about

1474
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:34,400
those two cases because they're

1475
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,630
yeah i like that i'll leave that one and

1476
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,559
i like that

1477
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,640
yeah people get attention these days so

1478
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,680
look i'm going to talk to you about

1479
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,160
what's known out here is that ano lima

1480
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:49,440
incident

1481
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,960
of

1482
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:56,800
a cercio

1483
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,559
bermudez a cersei bermudez is the victim

1484
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:02,720
the analyma incident is the name of the

1485
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,800
case so fourth of july 1964

1486
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:09,040
about 300 miles south of here in a much

1487
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,430
there's a lot of thinkers farm houses

1488
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:16,960
so a family

1489
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:20,480
of nine people left bogota one friday

1490
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:24,640
led by mauricio neko mauricio neko

1491
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:28,400
appeared in el tiempo in may 219 telling

1492
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,150
this is the first of the project blue

1493
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,280
boot cases

1494
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,839
they were in the farmhouse at 6 15 that

1495
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,640
night on the 4th of july

1496
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,960
and one of the children ran in

1497
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:48,960
and said there's a light there's a light

1498
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,270
a cersei bermudez and his two nephews

1499
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,559
went into the garden and saw the light

1500
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,440
out comes their cecio's wife the torch

1501
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,440
and he grabbed it and they flashed it up

1502
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:07,760
the valley at the light

1503
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:13,109
two hours later

1504
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,880
they went back out to check and see if

1505
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,240
there's light that appeared to be coming

1506
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,599
towards them was anywhere to be seen and

1507
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:21,040
they couldn't see this anywhere in the

1508
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:22,000
garden

1509
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,520
so mauricio neko's story has remained

1510
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,359
stable for 50 years and it goes like

1511
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,030
myself and essercio

1512
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:35,520
my cousin were in the garden

1513
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,920
and the large orange disc descended

1514
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:41,440
two meters wide

1515
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,069
the girl started screaming and ran out

1516
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,079
from the house and all witnesses stood

1517
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,640
there and watched this white

1518
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,280
they watched it rise and float over and

1519
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,200
orchard

1520
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,200
cercio

1521
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:01,680
ran through the orchard

1522
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:04,880
as his brother his cousin mauricio told

1523
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,390
mauricio necco said he watched

1524
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,119
a cerceo for four minutes

1525
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:17,280
standing underneath this object in the

1526
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,319
sky

1527
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,400
and he was standing with his hands

1528
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,720
open beside him open

1529
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:24,720
looking at this light and while there

1530
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,440
was

1531
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:28,480
an orange glow on the desk his brother

1532
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,670
it lasted for four minutes

1533
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,359
and the light vanished

1534
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,760
they didn't see it again

1535
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,000
mauricio in his all of his statements

1536
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,480
said the speed at which it vanished

1537
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,559
he said i am not saying earlier and i'm

1538
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,400
not seeing alien he never has he said it

1539
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,960
was science fiction

1540
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,640
what the way do i vanish for science

1541
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,480
fiction so this is what happens and this

1542
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,240
is why it became a project blue boot

1543
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,400
case

1544
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,160
that night the family went into the

1545
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,799
house they went crazy they boarded up

1546
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,160
the house they boarded up all the

1547
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:06,640
windows this light terrified them they

1548
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,230
the next morning all the kids get out of

1549
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,400
bed but assertio didn't the cersei was

1550
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,839
on this sofa

1551
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,520
and he wasn't very well

1552
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,760
he was shivering

1553
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,920
and then the next morning a cersei was

1554
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,240
quite definitely ill

1555
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,480
on the third morning of cersei

1556
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,079
bermudez died

1557
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,240
that is all for this week's show thank

1558
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,160
you very much for listening please

1559
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,240
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1560
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,880
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1561
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1562
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,119
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00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:43,280
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00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,799
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00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,000
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1567
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00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:54,400
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1569
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,240
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1570
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,319
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1571
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:03,440
up you never know what you might see

1572
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:30,490
i don't think he expected me

1573
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:39,510
[Music]

1574
00:59:02,950 --> 00:58:40,950
i can't imagine how it could have been

1575
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:05,030
was red i helped my boys they thought

1576
00:59:09,550 --> 00:59:06,400
this was noise they thought it was a

1577
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:18,770
[Music]

1578
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,270
and what's that

1579
01:00:57,750 --> 00:59:38,630
[Music]

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01:01:02,220 --> 01:00:57,760
me